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Postby pierremartin » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:49 pm

I was nearly caught into work with them. But how do you know if that is all true about fake shops, e-bay fraud and hacked bank accounts? I was about to believe them, may be that is the true genuine money and the genuine company. And why would I replace the loss if I did send the cash to Russia through Western Union? It is their fault as they tricked me, not mine. Why I can't just be a victim?
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Postby peg » Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:21 pm

pierremartin wrote:I was nearly caught into work with them. But how do you know if that is all true about fake shops, e-bay fraud and hacked bank accounts?

Experience. When you have seen the same scams over and over, you can generally tell. Additionally, there is a certain amount of information that you can verify. If you can't verify it, then you should probably presume it's a scam.

pierremartin wrote:I was about to believe them, may be that is the true genuine money and the genuine company.


And maybe not! If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is. Ultimately the decision is yours. However, it only takes one time (for me anyway) to get scammed before you learn to be a bit more cautious.

pierremartin wrote:And why would I replace the loss if I did send the cash to Russia through Western Union?

Huh?

pierremartin wrote: It is their fault as they tricked me, not mine.

Is it their fault that they tricked you or your fault because you fell for it? Remember, their goal IS to trick and deceive you. They WANT to be successful. YOUR goal is to NOT be tricked and deceived, if you fall for it you were NOT successful. It doesn't make it any less illegal, but that is not the point. If you don't educate yourself, then you (or others) can easily fall victim to these scammers.


pierremartin wrote:Why I can't just be a victim?
Is this really what you want? If it is, don't let me stop you... Oh yeah, by the way, can I get your credit card number, name, mothers maiden name, pet's name, your city of birth, date of birth, address etc.... ? It's for a good cause, trust me, I wouldn't lie. (and just in case it really doesn't come across as intended, that last statement is sarcasim)
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Postby pierremartin » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:12 pm

Yeah you sound convincing, that is for sure. I am not going to go for it again. If the police knocks at my door, I have no problem as I can explain everything, but what if the scammers send a killer to get rid of me? Or put a knife to my throat and yell: 'Show me the money!'
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Postby peg » Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:53 pm

pierremartin wrote:Yeah you sound convincing, that is for sure. I am not going to go for it again. If the police knocks at my door, I have no problem as I can explain everything, but what if the scammers send a killer to get rid of me? Or put a knife to my throat and yell: 'Show me the money!'


Well, if you take a job for these guys, then that's a risk.

If the Police knock on your door, then they too will demand the money. If you are already involved, then you need to get a hold of the Police NOW!!! Explain the whole situation, and minimize your losses. Otherwise, you will end up much deeper into trouble.

Will they show up at your door demanding money? I don't know. The risk for them, however is that if they show up at your door, then that's just a step closer for them getting caught.

The safest things is to not get invovled at all.
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Postby pierremartin » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:55 pm

I reported that to the bank, they should deal with that. I don't think there is need to involve cops, if they come themselves that is another story. The whole thing may be sorted out without them. Just send the money back to where they were taken from. And that is bank's responsibility.
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Postby Grachtenhamster » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:40 pm

pierremartin wrote:I reported that to the bank, they should deal with that. I don't think there is need to involve cops, if they come themselves that is another story. The whole thing may be sorted out without them. Just send the money back to where they were taken from. And that is bank's responsibility.

This sounds like you are in the "business" already....?!
No, it's not the bank's responsibility, it is yours to instruct the bank to return the money. Without your authorization they cannot do anything. But you are right, if all money is returned, you have nothing to fear from the legal side. From the other? May be....!

This money laundering system is well known, there are frequent reports in the media, press and TV, some day ago it was even reported in the German TV news. And there are countless of websites handling the topic.
The strange thing is that people are asking here for advise, but obviously are not interested to hear the truth!

If you take the money from your account and sent it to Eastern Europe, then this is simply money laundering. Even of the money does not originate from a fraud! Not only fraud is a crime, but also money laundering. And the senders of such money will ask it back, because they had been scammed, and they will not ask it back from the one who has it now, but from the one to whom they send it. So simple it is!
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