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Postby hsmautern » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:52 am

I got an offer of a Porsche Cayman situated in UK delivered ba the company B T L TRANSPORT EXPRESS LTD (http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com/default.aspx)
If you look at this site you get the information, that you can check the company with http://www.checksure.biz and enter there the name of the company or their company number 1302164.
If you do so you get really the company BTL Transport.

Thats the orign mail from the offer:
I already signed a contract with "http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" and I paid all the taxes and I have no interested in loosing that kind of money.The car is ready to be shipped to any location.This is the only way and my only condition in this transaction.
(IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT THE TRANSACTION TERMS,PLEASE DO NOT INSIST WITH OTHER SOLUTIONS.)
Terms of the Transaction:
Here is how I want to go about delivery and payment for the car which will be through
"http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" and will also give you the chance to inspect the car before I receive the payment for it.I will explain to you step by step how this will work.
1)First you have to send me your shipping information (your name and address).
2)After I receive your shipping info, I'll go to at "http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" and leave the car into your name and with your address as the intended receiver.
3)"http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" will check the car ,also the legal papers to see that everything is OK with it.
4)You will receive a notification from "http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" as a confirmation that the car is in their custody and also,that the car has been tested.
5)After that, you will have to make deposit payment on the "http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" Departament and address , as a guarantee, and send the payment information to "http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" .
( you must send a deposit of 20% first and rest of the money 80% after you will receive the car)
6)"http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" will verify the payment, and if everything is in order, they will deliver the car to your door step.
7)After you will receive the car and you will be completely satisfied with it, you will instruct "http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" with your decision. You have 10 days to inspect it and take a decision.
If you don't keep it,they will refund back your deposit amount.
8)If by any reason, you will not be satisfied with the car, you will return the car to "http://btltransportltd.web.officelive.com" with no expense.I will not have any details of payment because they are confidentials.
Let me know if we can do this.
NOTE:
SHIPPING TIME: 5- 7 DAYS.
The money will be sent to Shipping Company before you will receive the car and not to me. I repeat they will keep your money until you receive the car and the documents of the car. You will have an inspection period of 10 days. In this time you can check, test and inspect the car. An BTL Transport agent will be there to help you to register the car. If by any reason (the car has any hidden damage or it isn't like i describe it) you can reject the deal. In this case Shipping Company will refund you totally and they will ship the car back on MY cost.
The car was verified by the Shipping Company qualified automotive technician and the car have passed all the test with no problems.
Regards

Guess thats great fraud, but how do they handle the http://www.checksure.biz link - tgis site seems to be legal, either?
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Re: car fraud

Postby lightfair » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:31 am

Hello;

your are correct: it is a fraud. Please compare the site layout to this group of sites:

http://escrow-fraud.com/index.php?page= ... layout=201

Examples:

http://escrow-fraud.com/index.php?page= ... uk.com.jpg
http://escrow-fraud.com/index.php?page= ... rt.com.jpg
http://escrow-fraud.com/index.php?page= ... rt.com.jpg
http://escrow-fraud.com/index.php?page= ... ry.com.jpg

As you can see there is always a company number and the reference to checksure.biz (sometimes that part is outside the screenshot, though).

How do they do this? I have no definite details about this, but my guess is that they use the name and number of an existing (or former) company. In the past we had some cases where a completely different company was used because the scammers thought the fact that they used a number on their site would be enough to lull the victims into this.

The definitive site to check companies is http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/

A quick check finds two companies that use "BTL" (or "B.T.L." or "B T L") and "Transport" in their name - but the other details don't check out. Perhaps I'm doing this wrong (the search mask at companieshouse isn't exactly the friendliest); however a quick web search turns up nothing for "B T L Transport Express" except the checksure.biz reference.

However a quick web search for "7)After you will receive the car and you will be completely satisfied with it, you will instruct" - complete with the missing space after 7) - turns up plenty of hits. Hits which leave very little doubt as to the nature of this "company"...
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Re: car fraud

Postby lightfair » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:12 pm

A search for the company number 01302164 at companieshouse.gov.uk and "dissolved companies" results in this entry:

Name:
B.T.L. TRANSPORT EXPRESS LIMITED

Company No. 01302164



Status: Dissolved 22/10/1988
Country of Origin: Company incorporated in England/Wales


So it is as I said: A company with this name once existed but was dissolved 20 years ago.
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Re: car fraud

Postby tepa » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:20 am

Hello,
Maybe I've found a similar fraud by the Modal Spedition ltd Company about the delivery of Captiva Chevrolet from England to Italy.
They've required me a prepayment of a 10% of the total sum before the car delivery!!! Overwhere, fortunatly, I've view this web site before to accept their conditions...
I was looking for the name of company in the companies database of this web site... and I didn't find it... so It was a fraud!!!
I've answered an email of Mrs Giorgia Rodini from England.... but I don't know if she exist really!!!

Do someone find a similar case?

Good luck
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Re: car fraud

Postby lightfair » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:48 am

Please post the web address of the site here.

Mrs Giorgia Rodini does not exist (or at least the person you're in contact with is not her).
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Re: car fraud

Postby tepa » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:45 pm

I've got the Mrs Giorgia Rodini mail address only. Infact she has put an advertisement of her used car sale on italian web site. When I've asked to her more information about the sale and about the payment, she has wrote me about the Modal Spedition ltd Company and she has sent me a web site company (http://www.modal-speditionltd.com), but I think that the web site is not legal and there isn't a description of the car delivery modalities as Mrs Rodini said me. Probably Mrs Rodini doesn't exist!!!!

Bye
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Re: car fraud

Postby lightfair » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:21 pm

Indeed. http://www.modal-speditionltd.com/ was definitely fake and is in our database:

http://escrow-fraud.com/fraud_data.php?id=8418

But the site has been killed a few days ago already. And as you said "Mrs. Rodini" doesn't exist: "She" is probably a guy sitting in an internet cafe in Romania.
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