Is this fake ? fraud ??? I don't sure !!! Anybody had try?

[supremekenny]

http://www.wholesale-brands.net/index.php

That site had so much famous bag,suit,shoe....etc....But at least 1500US!!!!

That site only create in this year 2 / 6 / 05 .

[JaxHot]

How were you sent to the site?
How is payment being requested?

[supremekenny]

This site only accept western union in first and second order.

[JaxHot]

NEVER Use Western Union for payment.

[supremekenny]

Thx a lot.
I had got cheat by western union few days ago.
So I will not do next time .

I think had some ways to check that site is fraud or not.

By google search , "doman" & "fraud" or "cheat" etc...relate word.

and then check the create domain date in namesolution.com

[JaxHot]

Who cheated you?
Web site?
E-mail address of the scammer?

[supremekenny]

nobody. Because I haven't start.
http://www.wholesale-brands.net/index.php
wholesale-brands@sbcglobal.net

[peg]

Based on the WHOIS info I would be concerned.

registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE
whois: whois.melbourneit.com
referrer: http://www.melbourneit.com
Nameservers:
YNS1.YAHOO.COM
YNS2.YAHOO.COM
status: ACTIVE
expires: 02-jun-2006

Registrar Data:

Domain Name.......... wholesale-brands.net
Creation Date........ 2005-06-03 <-- Just over a month ago!!
Registration Date.... 2005-06-03
Expiry Date.......... 2006-06-03
Organisation Name.... James Ollan
Organisation Address. Viale Morgagni 84
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Florence
Organisation Address. 50134
Organisation Address. Florence
Organisation Address. ITALY

Admin Name........... James Ollan
Admin Address........ Viale Morgagni 84
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Florence
Admin Address........ 50134
Admin Address........ Florence
Admin Address........ ITALY
Admin Email.......... admin@wholesale-brands.net
Admin Phone.......... +39.0295441412
Admin Fax............

Tech Name............ James Ollan
Tech Address......... Viale Morgagni 84
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Florence
Tech Address......... 50134
Tech Address......... Florence
Tech Address......... ITALY
Tech Email........... admin@wholesale-brands.net
Tech Phone........... +39.0295441412
Tech Fax.............
Name Server.......... yns1.yahoo.com
Name Server.......... yns2.yahoo.com

The site is just over a month old. They use YAHOO! as their hosting agent (which in itself is not really suspicious, but I have seen too many fraudsters go this route.)

Also I did a GOOGLE Search for wholesale-brands ( http://www.google.com/search?q=wholesale-Brands )
and One of the top three hits was an eBay group claiming it's a fraud.

What I also find noticibly absent are hits in favor (positive) for this site. In this case NO NEWS (positive wise) is NOT GOOD NEWS.

Then I placed an order... (ok, I really don't intend on ordering anything, but I need to see how the site works.) I found that I have to order $1500.00 worth of suff. ------ That was an alert to me. They want to scam as much as they can. ----- Anyway, they claim on their "NEWS" http://www.wholesale-brands.net/index.php?aux_page=aux2 on 26.11.2003 (hmmm.... Weren't they just registered a month ago?) that credit cards now accepted with 2checkout.com , but when I go to check out, I have to provide Name, address, and telephone Number (ok.. that's normal enough), but when I submit it (thinking I will get another page for payment), I am presented with .... "Someone will contact you... blah blah blah.

As I looked further and realized that this site is based in Italy, I find it also interesting the that the prices are listed in Dollars - as in US DOLLARS. Interesting since I made no international selection as to my monetary denomination, and Last I new Italy was using the Euro.

So the more I look, the more I would say it's a fraud and I would avoid them.

Hope this helps. Keep us posted as to any updates.

Paul

[supremekenny]

Yes sir.

I perfectly agree your analyze.
And I discover that is impossible an italy web site use Enlish for default . Not ITALY language. I had contact that sales many times and below is our discussion in email.


Alright. Come back in a year then and we will talk more then. By the way, we sold the old domain name we were using http://www.wholesalebrands.com to Amazon. They were interested due to our many visitors / month. I don't think we'll sell this one too but you can never know.

We use WU to receive payments because we check payment online very fast and ship same day. The receiver is me or our sales manager usually.

Best regards,
Alisson
sales

Kenny <spyingking99@hotmail.com> wrote:
OK,

I also hope your site isn't fake or scam.

Because your site create about 1 month only, I find that many scam site

will not stable more than half year. They will shut down or the master

got detain.


If I visit your site on next year and also no any bad effect, I will be

more confidence on yours.


May I ask a question, if pay you by western union, what is the detail ?



----- Original Message -----
From: Sales Wholesalebrands
To: Kenny
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: http://www.wearthisbrand.org


I already told you. Our competition is behind these fake sites. They are trying to discreditate us.

Alisson
sales

Kenny <spyingking99@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello

Because I find a site like this

http://groups.ebay.com/thread.jspa?foru ... 0&tstart=0
----- Original Message -----
From: Sales Wholesalebrands
To: Kenny
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: http://www.wearthisbrand.org


I am sorry but I don't have the time to meet your request not to mention that is a very weird one.

If you don't want to deal with us just say so. We have alot of regular customers and there are alot of suppliers it's not necessary that you buy from us.

Best regards,
Alisson
sales

Kenny <spyingking99@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello sales

I want to make a deal with you.

But I need to need a photo can see your all product on your wholesare-brands
warehouse.

I perfer can see you with your product and let I trust you have this product


Thx.





----- Original Message -----
From: "Sales Wholesalebrands"
To: "Kenny"
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: http://www.wearthisbrand.org


>I told you. For the first two orders we take cash or
> wire via Western Union. After that bank transfers or
> Western Union. No PayPal due to problems we had with
> them.
>
> Best regards,
> Alisson
> sales
>
> --- Kenny wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I want to know which type payment you will accept?
>>
>> I perfer that is safety for buyer.....do you have
>> any suggestion?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sales Wholesalebrands
>> To: Kenny
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: http://www.wearthisbrand.org
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes you can make your first order of $1000 only.
>>
>> Regarding payment we prefer bank transfer between
>> us and regular customer. You are not a regular
>> customer just yet. I am sure you will be very soon
>> but let me explain more.
>>
>> It takes more than three days, sometimes a week to
>> confirm international transfers with our bank. For
>> the first order we want to ship very fast so we need
>> to confirm very fast. That is why we have chosen
>> Western Union for the first couple of orders. It
>> allows us to check payment online very fast and
>> proceed with shipment only a few hours later.
>> Another reason is that after the first two orders we
>> agree to receive payment from our customers within
>> 30 days from delivery. So after two orders you can
>> wire funds into our bank account after you receive
>> the package. The first two orders are processed this
>> way just to be able to ship them faster and build a
>> trust relationship betwen us and our new customers.
>>
>> Let me know if this is alright with you.
>>
>> Alisson
>> sales
>>
>> Kenny wrote:
>> Hi, Alisson
>>
>>
>> That means you accept my first order is US$1000
>> , right?
>>
>> And what payment you will accept except bank
>> transfer ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sales Wholesalebrands
>> To: Kenny
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: http://www.wearthisbrand.org
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Minimum sample order is $1000. Using an Escrow
>> or COD company would mean having our products and
>> money stuck to third parties for more than a week.
>> That is not acceptable at all especially at these
>> prices.
>>
>> Alisson
>> sales
>>
>> Kenny wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Do you consider will set the minimum order
>> not so high in the First order in your web?
>> Or only take 1 or 2 product for buy in your
>> web for the First order?
>> Or Pay it when customer recieve the product
>> on the First order?
>> The believable will be easy to build up
>> because customer should always consider the
>> Authentic problem and the is it can recieve
>> the prefect condition in the product is most.
>> Anyway , Thx your patience reply!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sales Wholesalebrands
>> To: Kenny
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: http://www.wearthisbrand.org
>>
>>
>> I know. They practically duplicated our
>> website.
>>
>> Alisson
>> sales
>>
>> Kenny wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Because I see their homepage very like
>> yours.There product also is very same with you. They
>> also had show the address in "about us"
>> In fact, this should be very careful to
>> trade in online with so much money.
>> So I need to more confirm this first.
>> Thx.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sales Wholesalebrands
>> To: Kenny
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:50 AM
>> Subject: Re:
>> http://www.wearthisbrand.org
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We don't have LV for women, only a few
>> briefcases for men. The website you are talking
>> about is a fake one which we think is promoted by
>> our competitors to give us a bad reputation. We are
>> already suing the owner of that website. I don't
>> know about other websites but if you know any I
>> would apreciate if you could let me know their
>> addresses.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Alisson
>> sales
>>
>> Kenny
>> wrote:
>> Hello
>>
>> I want to ask your web
>> http://www.wearthisbrand.org
>> Is this same with your site ?
>> Is your company had 4 sites
>> (warehouse)?
>> I saw that some woman's LV bag
>> is also come from Eluxury.com ?
>>
>
>

[peg]

I have added both wearthisbrand.org and wholesale-brands.net to my list of fraud sites. ( http://escrow-fraud.pgardner.net?page=reported )I have also added their images to my gallery http://escrow-fraud.pgardner.net/images/sites/