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Postby mde010 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:38 am

Hi,
I got engaged by a motorcaravan announcement on a Italian site:
http://www.secondamano.it/iad/car/objec ... l&tot=null
Price extremely attractive!!! 5350€ is one third of the actual market price in Italy for such motorcaravan.
Too good to be true!!!
First strange thing there are 2 other announcements in internet with same pictures:
http://alcainza.olx.pt/burstner-alcoven ... d-12504481
http://juarez-nuevoleon.olx.com.mx/burs ... d-13480910

Story very similar to the others I red in your site: payment of 50% via western union to a certain Lorand Anderson of a so called "transport company" with internet site and tracking number
http://www.transportcompany.co.cc
This site is not in your list, but Lorand Anderson is the name which drove me to this site and forum :P
No name or address from this company exist in internet, no way to find any phone number or reference.
Even if John Michael sent me his passport scanned there is no match of his name and address in any UK database I could surf through.
I received a scan of the registration document of the vehicle from a aci@rome.com which sounds quite exotic mail to be from an italian office.
Let see, tomorrow I will go to local ACI office to check it out.
What do you think about this story?
Thanks
Bye
Marco

Here below the mail exchange I got with the "owner":
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RE: Bürstner A 535, € 5.350 ?
From: John Michael (j.michael8522@yahoo.com)
Sent: Sun 1/04/09 1:46 PM

Hello,


MI8M4292. Aci contact you?

Thanks

--- On Sat, 1/3/09,
To: "camper" <j.michael8522@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 4:01 PM

Hi,
I just received a confirmation mail from the shipping company.
I will follow their instruction for money transfer, no problem from my side.
Before proceeding I just kinldy ask you to send me the identification number of the caravan.
I want to check on the italian automobil club (registration office) what is the status of the vehicle from burocratical point of view.
Thank You


Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 02:48:26 -0800
From: j.michael8522@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Bürstner A 535, € 5.350
To:
Hello,

I just arrived from the shipping company .
Here's the tracking number : P49FJWEMS5*
The shipping company has a web site too : http://www.transportcompany.co.cc
Please follow their instructions from the shipping company .
You received the confirmation from the shipping company ?

Thank you and reply soon


--- On Sat, 1/3/09, wrote:

From:
Subject: RE: Bürstner A 535, € 5.350
To: "camper" <j.michael8522@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 10:01 AM

Hi,

Could you give me the ID plate number of the motorcaravan?
What is the name of the shipping company you are going to use?

here are my details

Name: ***************
Address: ****************
City: ********************
Zip code: ***********
Country: Italy
Phone number (mobile): ****************

Thank You
Regards


Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 05:34:37 -0800
From: j.michael8522@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Bürstner A 535, € 5.350

Hello,

Due to the fact I am quite busy I found out a company which will help me to sell the caravan easily.
They will handle shipping, payment and everything else. I will pay all taxes for shipping.
You will have 3 days for inspect the caravan .Let me explain you how does the shipping company works. First I will get the caravan to the shipping company. When they will have the caravan in their custody(I will give you a tracking number so you can track the shipping process at any time) you have to transfer 50% from the caravan value to them (the shipping company will inform you how to make the payment). After the transfer is done the shipping company will put the money secure and they will continue the shipping. After you will receive and inspect the caravan (3 days) you will have to inform the shipping company if you want or not the caravan . In case you will keep the caravan you'll have to pay the rest of the money to the shipping company,in case you will not keep the caravan the shipping company will pay you back the money.

If you are interested get back to me and provide me the following details so I can make the shipping documents:

Name:
Address:
City:
Zip code:
Country:
Phone number:

Thanks
--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Marco wrote:

From: Marco
Subject: RE: Bürstner A 535, € 5.350
To: j.michael8522@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 2:14 PM

Hi Michael,
I am really interested in your motor caravan.
If things are as you wrote, just send it to me for inspection as soon as possible.
If I like it (as I hope), what about change of ownership on Italian registration papers, how are you planning to manage it?
Can you send me any other pics of the motor caravan if you have it?

Thank You
Best Regards

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:11:57 -0800
From: j.michael8522@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Bürstner A 535, € 5.350

Hello,

The camper is in excellent condition, no damage, never involved in any accidents, no scratches, garage kept. It is working properly . I am the first owner of the camper . I am from London , United Kingdom. I have a company here in United Kingdom and I've made businesses on Europe and this camper was used only for driving in Italy where I've had some stores. Here in London I have a camper with the steering weel on the right side so I do not use the camper here. The camper is registered in Italy , I didn't registered in United Kingdom and all the papers are ok. Now I closed the stores from Italy and I do not need anymore the camper so for the sale it goes.The camper will be shipped by a company from United Kingdom to your country. I will pay for shipping and insurance so you don't have to worry for more expences. The camper will arrive to you in about 2-3 days and you will have 3 days to inspect it before take the decision to buy it or not.


If you need any further information please feel free to contact me.....
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Re: motorcaravan escrow-fraud?

Postby mde010 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:20 am

Hi all,
be aware if you are going to buy any vehicle from italy you can check on the following site the data of the vehicle from the official car registartion database:
https://servizi.aci.it/VisureOnline/welcome.do
unfortunately is all in italian and you have to fill in your data and pay a little amount of money (less than 6€)
If you are a foreigner it's easier to get it done for you by any "agenzia pratiche auto" agency car documents, they are very common in Italy.

You can check for free some data on the site of the italian registration tax office just introducing the identification car number of the vehicle:
http://www1.agenziaentrate.it/servizi/b ... mplice.htm
This is the outcome of the inquiry for MI8M4292

Calcolo del bollo in base alla targa del veicolo: risultato richiesta
PROPOSTA PAGAMENTO
Riepilogo dati inseriti
Tipo veicolo:01-autoveicolo
Targa:MI8M4292
Dati relativi al veicolo
Regione:Liguria
Cilindrata:1929 cc
Potenza:60 KW
Direttiva Euro:0
Alimentazione:Gasolio
EcoDiesel:No
Cavalli:19
Posti:4
Portata:490 kg
Peso:2600 kg
Numero Assi:2
Categoria:autoveicolo uso speciale
Data immatricolazione:27/07/1989
Codice uso:privato per uso speciale o trasporti specifici
Dati relativi il pagamento:
Riduzione:no
Termine pagamento:31/10/2008


as you can see data do not match with the attachement of the following mail received from aci@rome.com (absolutely not real ACI mail)
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Automobile Club d`Italia (ACI)?
From: Automobile Club d`Italia (aci@rome.com)
Medium riskYou may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as unsafe
Sent: Sun 1/04/09 1:51 PM
To: marcodelise@hotmail.com
Attachments: 1 attachment(s) Antivirus scanning by Trend Micro

Mr Marco


Automobile Club d`Italia (ACI) has verified your champer.Everythyng it's allright.


Thank you
Automobile Club d`Italia

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Re: motorcaravan escrow-fraud?

Postby lightfair » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:48 pm

http://www.transportcompany.co.cc/ is definitely fake.

I've added it to the database

http://escrow-fraud.com/fraud_data.php?id=8376

and sent a report to co.cc

Thanks for spotting this; and please keep your eyes open!
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