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real company or not please help

Postby Believer » Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:05 pm

Hi there can any one tell me how i can find out if this is a real co
Kalmistern Oil Companyis this a fraud???my friend met some one off a dating site
only chatting but he is claiming he works for this company as a contractor,,
i need to know if this is a fraud company can u all help plzzzzz
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Re: real company or not please help

Postby lightfair » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:09 am

Hello,

I've found a number of entries on other boards that suggest there might a fraudulent usuage of this name; however there also might exist a legit company by that name (this happens a lot).

We need a few more details. How did this company come into play on the dating site?
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Re: real company or not please help

Postby Believer » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:25 pm

this is the mans email
Elloy Ruben <rubenelloy@yahoo.com>

this is what he emailed her about the job ,, so i thought i would google the name of the company,, he claims he is stuck in asia,, he has told her the past few weeks he has been in russia ,, austrailia and now asia
says his money is locked up and he cant pay his ten workers ,,, part of me believes he has asked her for money i have no clue if she has given it to him
she is being guarded, so be it ,, it is her business,, but i wanted to dig a bit , she is in az he says he lives in LA ,, she even went as far to purchase an airline ticket and was to fly out to california to meet him but her parents and I talked her out of it and begged her to have him come here to az to meet her first,, so he said he would be here this last mon ,,or tuesday well here it is friday he claims he stuck in malaysia... and to think she almost got on the plane to L A ,,, he kept saying to her give me more time ill get there to az and no ruben.. and I really think he has been asking her for financial help and she has no means to help him,, he tells her he loves her and wants to marry her,, theyve only been chatting for the past 2 weeks, so i just wanted to dig some on this company ,, thANK U SO MUCH FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE. i EVEN CONFRONTED HIM ON FACE BOOK HE GOT VERY DEFENSIVE WITH ME SAID for your information , i am not working with them i only got contract there before and they did not pay me my money and also the Director of the company and some other staff are fraud and also cheated many casual work and Contractor , we are the one who label their web site as fraud so you should kick off
and i will suprise you when i meet my love ok .
NOW IF I AM WRONG I STAND TO BE CORRECTED....BUT SHE IS MY BFF FROM CHILDHOOD SINCE WE ARE KIDS IM SO PARANOID. THNX
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Re: real company or not please help

Postby Believer » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:35 pm

THIS IS WHAT HE EMAILED HER FEW WEEKS AGO ABOUT HIS JOB
I am a building Contractor, also I work as a supplier for one of the largest oil refinery in Russia, i have allocation on all the petroleum product produce by this refinery, you have a look at their website and know more about my work. www.kalmisternoil.com. > > I have been doing this for long time, i supply to end users, mostly in Asia region where my allocation/ authorization rigth covers.
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Re: real company or not please help

Postby lightfair » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:23 pm

OK,

thank you for the additional information. You are NOT paranoid and you certainly did the right thing asking for information and help.

Everything I write from now is to be taken with a grain of salt because I'm trying to put together the various pieces and they don't completely fit yet. So don't just take my word but try to gather more information yourself (as you already did).

The whole thing has the typical smell of a "romance scam" or "dating scam". In case you haven't found ressources about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_scam
http://www.romancescam.com/forum/portal.php

What you've written certainly sounds a lot like those scenarios.

That's the first part.

Now about "Kalmistern Oil Company" and how the various puzzles don't fit (or we may have a particularly stupid scammer here - probably).

The domain kalmisternoil.com was registered on April 10 of this year. I'd call this "very recently". It was also registered with "hidden registrant"; read: We don't know who is behind it. Such a hidden registration is comparatively unusual for real companies. So those two things raise my suspicions a bit but they don't automatically mean this site is fraudulent.

So I'm digging a bit deeper. So this is supposed to be a Russian company but they don't have the slightest bit of Russian on their page? Hmmmm.
I find press releases from 2010 and before (remember, the domain was registered in April 2011). So the "about this company page is"

http://www.kalmisternoil.com/section_29/section_30.htm

but reads as title "INK at a glance". Who is INK? Doesn't sound like "Kalmistern Oil Company" to me at all.

Short answer: It's "Irkutsk Oil Company".

Compare:

http://www.kalmisternoil.com/
http://www.irkutskoil.com/

However irkutskoil.com was registered in 2004. And here we actually have a Russian language version of it. The whole site http://www.kalmisternoil.com/ was simply copied from http://www.irkutskoil.com/ (which as far as I can see is legit).

So yes: http://www.kalmisternoil.com/ is most definitely fake. This doesn't mean that there isn't a real Kalmistern Oil Company - but if there is one it is not associated with the particular website. The natural conclusion is that whoever claims to work for http://www.kalmisternoil.com/ and uses this website to showcase his line of work is automatically a scammer.

So far it's pretty straightforward for me. Now finally to the parts that "don't fit":

"That guy" wrote:
i have allocation on all the petroleum product produce by this refinery, you have a look at their website and know more about my work. http://www.kalmisternoil.com. > > I have been doing this for long time, i supply to end users, mostly in Asia region where my allocation/ authorization rigth covers.


However http://www.kalmisternoil.com/presscente ... -id=66.htm reads (partly):

Recently Kalmistern Oil Company has experienced a higher-than-normal volume of verification inquiries from customers who were allegedly contacted on behalf of the Company or its subsidiary UstKutNeftegaz.

We would like to state that such contacts are not authorized by the Group and would like to reiterate that Kalmistern Oil Company is NOT producing oil refined products like diesel, kerosene and gasoline and DOES NOT have any uncontracted volumes of crude in 2011.


So our romance scammer claims to have access to the "petroleum product", but the (fake) website of the company he claims to work for says pretty much the opposite. Talk about irony...
Of course this is also the result of having copied the text straight from http://www.irkutskoil.com/presscenter/media?id=66

Anyway, I hope this has helped a bit further. In my opinion it is a typical dating/romance scam.

The bad thing about this type of scam is that the victims are sometimes really hard to convince that it really IS a scam. The scammers of course do exactly this for a living and hence know exactly how to "play" a victim. The victim on the other hand has invested a lot of emotional energy in this and this makes it often difficult to see the reality of the situation.

Good luck, and if you feel like it let us know how it turned out. You can of course also ask further questions.
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Re: real company or not please help

Postby Believer » Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:04 pm

out of every One i have contacted, you have been the most helpful . i didnt know where to turn ,,, and u really have been soo helpful thank you so much
i appreciate all your time and looking into this matter. my friend said she unfriended him on facebook ,, deleted his email and numbers but i still feel she may be in contact,, she was even telling him she loves him and how she might marry him,,,,i felt from the start he was not on the up and up.
so thanks for your help
all the best gayle
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Re: real company or not please help

Postby lightfair » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:08 pm

Gayle;

your friend needs help at this point (and you sure sound as if you are providing as much help as you can). She needs to face the fact that she is communicating with a professional "con artist". There are various support groups for such cases to be found on the net; the wikipedia article I linked to above contains a few web links to ressources. She may want to visit a few of those sites/lists to see that she is indeed a victim and that she is not the only one having fallen for such a scam. But most important - SHE MUST STOP COMMUNICATING WITH THIS GUY!

Best wishes to you and your friend,

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Re: real company or not please help

Postby Believer » Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:56 am

i found his i p i got him to email me,, and got his I P .
219.93.13.235
see that this i p others have been scammed by him ,,

got this site and they posted the i p as well
http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewto ... =3&t=39315
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