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Wire transfer security issue?

Postby dxepcion » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:51 am

I want to do an internet transaction through wire transfer, but I don't know anything about it. My question is "How secure is wire transfer to another country". Specifically, I want to wire transfer funds to a seller in indonesia for a laptop. How safe is it?
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Postby JaxHot » Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:55 am

Your question is too general in nature to answer correctly.

Do you honestly think its worth your while to send money to a country thats known for scams?
How much are you saving?
How much do you stand to lose?

There are many forms of wire transfers.
Western Union (kiss your money goodbye)
Moneygram (kiss your money goodbye)
bank to bank (extremely difficult to stop)
Which one are you supposed to use?
None of them are fool proof and using the first 2 insure you will never get your money back.

Please post SPECIFIC information.
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Postby peg » Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:34 pm

Also,

Unless you really know (and trust) the other party, you should be extremely careful.

And as Jaxhot points out, Indonessia is a Hot Spot for scammers.

Could you also provide us with the website that is requestging you to wire the funds? That would be a better place to look.

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Postby dxepcion » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:32 pm

Dxepcion:

cost of a vaio s series notebook s460B. Offered 545.00 USD. I gotten a lead through Alibaba.com, an established trading website (although, I know that doesn't stop scammers). An unregistered, independent company from indonesia posted this:

http://www.alibaba.com/trade/offer/detail/12889893.html

I sent them a reply:

From: dxepcion
Date: 2005-08-18 10:39:23.0
Inquiry Source: Sell Sony Vgn-s460/B Vaio S Series Notebook PC
Subject: vaio notebook s series
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Price & Terms: Inco term: CNF, Initial Order Quantity: 1
Other Requests: Specification, Company Description, Delivery Time
Requested Response Date: 2005-08-25
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Hi,
I would like to buy one(1) sony vaio notebook s460B. I would like to know a good payment arrangement

They replied sometime with this:

From: medanbusiness08 Leave me a message
Date: 2005-08-21 05:39:14.0
Inquiry Source: Sell Sony Vgn-s460/B Vaio S Series Notebook PC
Subject: Re: vaio notebook s series
Hello there,

Thank you for your mail.
Our price for Sony Vgn-s460/B Vaio S Series Notebook PC US $ 545.00

We can only accept Bank To Bank Money Transfer for the payment method.

We use UPS Express Service (2-3 business days) for shipping method.

I hope we can create a new line business.
Please let me know if you are still interested.

Look fwd for your reply.

Thank you in advance.

Regards.

I replied:

From: dxepcion
Date: 2005-08-21 09:40:21.0
Inquiry Source: Sell Sony Vgn-s460/B Vaio S Series Notebook PC
Subject: Re: Re: vaio notebook s series
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Other Requests: Company Description
Requested Response Date: 2005-08-28
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We would like to buy one unit of this product for your offered price of 545.00USD. How much for shipping to United states? Let's draw up a contract. Please specify the technical information for this laptop, its physical condition (sealed in box, new, used?), shipping and handling cost, delivery time, what kind of bank to bank transfer (what is your bank?, mines is BankofAmerica). Thanks for your time and effort. We will talk again soon.


thats about it for now.
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Postby dxepcion » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:34 pm

Oh, and if they offer Western Union, I'll laugh and maybe I'll string them along ^_^.
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CNET Shopper results

Postby JaxHot » Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:53 pm

Latest prices for Sony VAIO S460/B Notebook - VGN-S460/B
(4.4 lbs, 4.4 lbs, Intel Pentium M (1.73 GHz))



Price Range: $1539-1899
Rebate
Manufacturer: Sony Electronics, Inc.
Part number: VGNS460/B
CNET product brief: The Sony VAIO S460/B is a 4.4-pound, thin-and-light notebook computer. Compared to other thin-and-light notebooks on the market, it is relatively inexpensive at around $1,730.

The "too good to be true" red flag should be waving wildly on this one.
....what is the seller's e-mail address?
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Postby dxepcion » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:40 am

Alibaba.com does not post email addresses. Ah forget it. I'll just take leads at ebay.com, under ebay transaction/buyer protection/paypal protection. I'm pretty sick of taking theses kinds of fake/scam leads. Thanks for your helps.
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Postby dxepcion » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:41 pm

Does sellers from australia have known histories of fraud/scam activity.

here's an quote I got from alibaba.com:

Company :
J-electro Company. [Manufacturer]
Name :
Mr JLnch Ski
Subject : Re: acer ferrari 3400lmi
Date : Mon Aug 22 04:41:32 PDT 2005
Message :
Hello
thanks for your interested,
we salte brand new Acer Ferrari 3400LMi with price $900/Pcs + Not included shipping cost thru UPS Express (2-3 days) as shipment.
we have 10 units same item at our company at this time, how many item qty that you want to buy from our company? email us with your shipping address, so we can arrange discount prices for order more than 2 units laptop notebooks. we will email you back with item Specs if you needed.

Email us back at Thundrgod@frenzmail.net, looking forward from you back ,

Regards,

Sales of J-ELECTRONIC.Co

More Sender Information
E-mail :
thundrgod@frenzmail.net If you suspect the sender is a fraud, please click on 'This is a Fraud' to report to Customer Service. If you click on 'Block This Sender', this sender will be added to my Block List at My Alibaba.
Country/Territory : Australia
City : Brookvale
Address : Suite 3,2 Victor Road
Phone : 61-202-797-3000
Fax : 61-202-797-3000
If you have received this email by mistake or have any questions regarding it, simply contact us at alibaba@alibaba-inc.com
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